look i dont know what system ur friend had the x850xt on but its just a fact that the x850xt will beat the 6800gt. plus im no ati fanboy i dont know whats with u guys in all these wierd phrases and sheet. well my overall performance in gaming?!!! if im getting 6400 in 3dmark05 what do u think it would be? i rape all the games in frame rate. the 6800gt is recomended to play far cry at 1280/1024, that sucks and its frame rate is still minimum of 22. my video card at 1600/1200 2xaa 8xaf still get average 55fps minimum of 35, that there seems to be killing a 6800gt and a 6800 ultra to me dont you think? and dont even bring up doom 3. nobody plays that game maybe 2 years ago they did but everybody knows doom 3 ran great on nvidia, but ati is dropping drivers that run it 30 precent better, and ive hit 24,000 in 3dmark01 and since 03 is really cpu bound and im running a socket a ive only hit 12600, dont get me wrong the 6800gt is a good card i just had to get you straight there, thats no price difference for no reason, the x850xt pe is the best agp card out there and thats all that needs to be said, and i mean best agp card availible stock out of the box, im not talkin about some dude underground with a super nitro w/e big jumbo block on some 6800 ultra, and hes got it at ground breaking speeds