All the reviews I have read said that while the air coming out the back of the card was some of the hottest they'd ever felt, it didn't stop them from getting some impressive overclocks on stock cooling. ATI also claimed that people should easily hit 10k in 3dmark05 with air cooling, but yeah I think nivida is going to shatter the X1800XT with the 512mb 7800gtx... I wonder how ati will respond to that...Flanker said:As far as overclocking goes; you know how you're supposed to stop overclocking when a CPU/GPU gets too hot? Well...these cards come "too hot" at stock .