omg my 2500+ o/c at 2.3 can surpass a 2.8g p4 and almost outdue a 3.0g p4, having the p4 pump 4x's instead of 2x's does not mean it'll be faster, amd can take bigger chunks faster, p4 can take smaller chunks faster, but when it comes down to it all, AMD RULES!!! go check out some websites about amd vs intel, you'll find great info and most people come out buying amd's... intel really has lost their spot in the business, and that happened almost 2 years ago!!! get with it people