nubius has a very good point. i would have to say hes being fanboyish toward AMD but everything he says is true to the benchies. its sad that they have to OC an intel just to freakin beat out a stock AMD lol. oh and for you fanboys (intel/ dale wannabes) you making the excuse for just saying oh well its a low end cpu you cant test that blah blah. its a load of shit (spits on the ground) cause its intels newest against AMDs newest, so its all equal agaisnt newest CPUs. plus i didnt think a pentium4 etreme was a low end chip anyways? those intels are always more exspnsive than any AMD. now, that little coment about us AMD fanboys being cheap bastards and not getting intel casue they are to much money. well my friend were not like you and have more money than brains. we live on a budget and were not a major corporation so we get whast the best for our money and im sorry but AMD is the best for any money. point closed.