Yeah P.P. Mguire, i agree with you on both terms. You have to be doing something wrong with those boards. Lanparty's are very well configured mobo's. Personally, i would only get Abit, MSI, DFI and Asus boards. In that order too. I dont trust brands like soyo, rock, or gigabyte. Although i do think gigabyte makes some nice video cards, but very expensive.