I'm sitting in front of a Dell 8250 and it's just fine. Like I said, it's "fine". There is nothing spectacular about it but then again there isn't anything wrong with it. I put in a 9800pro but that's the only thing I could upgrade without going to Dell. But I totally agree that the BIOS sucks about 453 d!(ks. There is absolutely no oc potential. It is almost 3 years old and it played Doom 3 like a champ with medium settings. I'm selling it now b/c I wont to build so I can oc and get the most out of my games. So BUY IT ! Oh yea, I'll sale it buy parts. Buy the 9800pro or the 2.4Ghz cpu for cheap. Anyways I better not throw to much of a sales pitch. Bottom line, Dell's are great for your everday person who e-mails, surfs the net, and DL's music.