It isnt just the casual gamer. There are still many hard core gamers that play the Wii. My buddy who owns the PS3 is one. He has a 360 and a Wii and off all 3 systems he has more games and plays the Wii more often. As well as being a avid PC gamer as well .
and those hardcore gamers as reported in multiple articles by n4g.com, are frustrated because their hasn't been a first part title in quite a while on that system, while the other two consoles are getting AAA titles like gta4, killzone2, gow2, l4d, ds, fallout3, mgs4, etc
You experience is just what you make it. Just what you want it to be. Growing up with the NES and being there first hand and seeing the impact Nintendo made on this community i may play favorite a little bit. I wont lie. But the truth still is that it is a individual experience. .
of course, I'm 24 years old so I grew up playing the NES and SNES as well Mak! I remember the good ole days with one of the best video games of all time, super mario bros 3 for the NES and street fighter 2 for the SNES. I miss those days too and will never forget em, there also the reason why I still love mario games and can never get over that nostalgia.
You say that it isnt based toward hard core gamers. That is your experience. Yet i still see SNES Tourny's locally for SF2. I still see classic NES Mario Bros Tourny's locally.
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Well you mentioned 2 systems that are not the Wii, besides that lets just get definitions out of the way ( which are often the source of misunderstandings ), to me a:
hardcore gamer: is one that has a life time of experience playing video games and continues to play video games that keep improving the core mechanics and have much depth, this type of gamer typically invests a lot of money and time into their video game hobby. One thing I stress is, this type of gamer is very informed before he makes a purchase and reads up on what all the critics think of a game.
casual gamer: typically someone who has just started experiencing gaming and is not as informed as a hardcore gamer which means they don't typically know which games are good to spend money on. Since they have not played the games in the past, they can't measure current games up with games of the past ( a measure often used by professional critics ).
neither is a bad person, I am not criticizing casual gamers for not being hardcore gamers, I'm merely identifying the two different groups and their typical characteristics. I am not calling people who purchase a Wii only casual gamers either, my main original statement is as follows: "I have yet to encounter someone offline as well as online who can make a good argument as to why a Nintendo Wii is the console to own present day for someone who is more then mildly interested in video games and aren't completely obsessed with the same characters Nintendo keeps using over and over again"
if I offended any casual gamers by comparing them to middle aged soccer moms then I apologize ( I was also being pretty faceitious ) but I believe I read somewhere that it typically is that profile, either way don't take it too seriously.
While you say that the casual gamer is not knowing this information what if it is just the exact opposite? What if they are like me and CHOOSE the Wii? What if they dont feel that the 360 and the PS3 has anything to offer for them?
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If you are a casual gamer, if you like nintendo first party characters, or if your looking for a system that is not the normal convention then I think the Wii is the best choice. If your a hardcore gamer searching high definition graphics and games that keep pushing the boundaries of good gameplay mechanics then go with PC...if you can't build a computer and have a nice HDTV then go with a PS3 or Xbox instead, their exclusives decide the choice.
PS3 i would get for SF4 and Final Fantasy.
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SF4 is actually multi platform ( xbox and sony ) and the superior version is the xbox one due to the superior XBL multiplayer experience and the fact the PS3 version doesn't support anti aliasing for some weird reason.
The Wii i already ahve a extensive collection built up for. I play it every so often. So yeah i may not be a "hardcore" gamer who dedicates my life to it. But the fact is that i am far from not knowing my information.
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most casual gamers aren't informed, so your different then the group definition I mentioned. I mean I have no statistical proof that casual gamers are less informed then hardcore gamers, but I think its rather obvious because someone who is very into a particular topic is reasonably assumed to be more informed/knowledgable about that topic. Also its proven by the whole Wii shovelware dillema. People not that into games are less likely to read reviews about them and see which ones are good.
To sit back and say that these people are not knowing or they dont know any better only shows how little you know. Sorry to sound harsh but you are making a judgement call about people when you have no reason to make such statements.
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that was harsh
but I still think its a fair statement that casual gamers ( the majority of Wii owners ) are less informed then hardcore gamers. The reason should be obvious, its the very nature of the beast. A person who is very into something is going to be more informed, interested, and knowledgable of it ( always minority exceptions ). Why else would 50% of nintendo 3rd party titles have less then a 50% metascore? thats terrible, these developers know they can produce crap out and people who don't know any better will buy it. This has been stated multiple times in numerous system comparison articles I have read, so this is not only my opinion but many others as well.
To say that my wife doesnt know cause she loves her DS and Pokemon games isnt true. To say that she doesnt know cause she loves her Zelda games isnt true. She has played just as many games as i have. Just as most people i have talked to.
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Hey man I never said anything like that ( nor would I since its very disrespectful ), your putting words in my mouth now. If your wife has played just as many games as you have and you are both well informed...well I don't think you fit the casual gamer audience. Just because you don't get enough time to play games doesn't mean your automatically a casual gamer, heck i don't get enough time to play games cause I'm studying for the license exam either.
The main audience is people who want gameplay not GFX. There are plenty of games that look very good on the Wii. Metroid wouldnt have looked all that much better on a 360 or PS3. It was perfect the way it was. Mario Galaxy was another GFX great game.
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Mario galaxy was quoted in IGN and gamespot as saying it pushed the Wii to its limits, and its prob the best looking game on the Wii. However concerning Metroid, if it was designed with HD in mind, then it would look better on the xbox and ps3, this is sorta undeniable. Look at KZ2 for an example of what consoles horsepower can do.
Your defination of hardcore is different than others. You say your hardcore cause you play all the recent games and can get thru it on the hardest level. Congrats on the great accomplishment.
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My hardcore definition doesn't include what you said, I would consider more OCD trophy related people to be associated with this.
I say being hardcore is being able to brag about having just about every system from Intellivision to at least 1 of the current generation with having every system before it. Being able to say that i have dedicated over 100 game play hours to a single game to get everything in the game. To me that is hardcore. To dedicate over 20 years to the gaming community is something to say your hardcore about.
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that could be a definition, although it would already exclude many people out since they haven't been gaming for 20 years
Yeah not all games that come out are good. But it is your opinion versus that of another to say if it is good or not. No one is right when you use your opinion and try to push it as fact.
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I don't understand how I am guilty of doing this? I could put "imho" in front of all my statements but I think that would just be redundant. Everything I say is an opinion unless its specifically stated as a fact.
We can sit here and go back and forth till the end of time. But the facts will never change. A difference of opinion is just that. You have a opinion about what the Wii is and what it has done for the market which is not going to be shared. Just as the person who wrote the original article that is their opinion.
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but isn't the whole point of forums to share opinions and ideas? I'm sorry if I was mistaken but I was under the impression i was providing my opinions with a sense of humor and not offending anyone so deeply ( including you ) as you seem to portray.
No one is going to be right. The proof is in the sales. The Wii sells and is demanded more. account for personal taste.
I've addressed this: theres more casual gamers then hardcore, which perfectly explains why Nintendo is doing better then Sony and Microsoft, and I said I hand it to Nintendo for reaching out to the untapped market, however I don't like the whole Wii shovelware dillema
I'm sorry if I have offended you with this debate Mak, but I find most of the issues that would cause you to get offended were misunderstandings with my definitions. Other then that, I think I was pretty civil in presenting my opinions, besides having a humorous tone about certain stuff ( like the whole soccer mom statement ). Wow that was a long post by me...
