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What misinformation would that be then?The OP wanted build a new machine but he was convinced into buying a phenom build due to misinformation.
Only one part was, and that was the part that I don't like Intel.When the facts are important what one thinks is hardly relevant. Most of your arguments revolve around subjective things.
Not poorly. Just not particularly great at first.YOU think that it was poorly implemented
If that's not an exaggeration, I don't know what is.YOU think 45nm will save the world.
I just said I don't think Phenom was designed for 65nm.
Neither are you. Which doesn't mean we can't know technical aspects about things.YOU aren't an engineer
And you want to talk about subjective?and YOU dont have much data to back it up.
Or, just reasonable expectation based on facts, such as the fact that even Intel did not believe in the viability of a 65nm monolithic quad, or the fact that if you read about Deneb and AMD's 45nm process, you'll find more than just a die shrink has happenedJust hearsay and conjecture over something nobody has been able to get their hands on.
It's not dead.Although this did contribute a great deal to its bad rep that in and of itself didn't kill Phenom.
Actually, There was a DICE run. And that ES Deneb with stock cooling.You say they OC well but the only 4ghz run that anyone can substantiate took Liquid Nitrogen.
But why only limit the field of overclocking specifically to 4GHZ
99% of Phenom's will run past 3GHZ with SB750 and a great majority significantly more
And you say that as if C2Q's will always get 4GHZ, or something.
Most of them don't.
That's begging the question.The TLB bug is gone but that didn't alleviate the lack luster performance overall.
That's a bit like saying that, if Ferarri wins most F1 races, that the Mclaren's/Renault's/Toyota's/BMW's are not that fast.The truth is the Phenom just isn't that fast.