ok dude. first off, why waste our time to respond to something that was said 10 days ago..... secondly i can see what you are saying with your statement, and it does make sense to me as the last thing posted was in response to the graph so that makes sense. but also that takes into account all the new cards for nvidia, but only the 4850 for ATI. (correct me if i'm wrong) but that didn't show the 4870 or the 3870x2. and that's 2 of ATI's heavy hitters that aren't showing up on that graph. also there are a few discrepancies between the two graphs. the 8800gt actually gains fps as do a couple others, while some loose tons. are the test rigs the same?