The ATI Radeon X800 Pro is an excelent 3DMark03 and Aquamark scorer, and i testify this because my system got excelent scores from both benchmarks. However, when it comes to actual gameplay, I have had nothing but trouble with framerates from this card. I don't know if its driver problems, or what, but in games, even the 9800 Pro performs better. Far Cry was the first game to give me trouble. There were some places in that game where my framerate got as low as 19 FPS. Thats at 1024x768, 4xAA, 8xAF. I complained about it and everybody told be it was just the engine of Far Cry that was sloppy. Then came Doom 3. On Doom 3, i run at 1024x768 on high settings and get around 45FPS, it will go down to 30 during intense times. However, if I throw in 2xAA and 4xAF, i run at about 15-20 fps, which is basically a slide show. People with 9600XTs are able to run it on ultra settings without too many problems, but if I run it on ultra, its virtually unplayable. This is what I get from a $425 card! My benchmarks show otherwise though, so I'll wait till the next catalyst drivers come out and see what happens, but I am definately not happy with this ATI product.