Yeah i was an Nvidia guy just ordered the 9800 PRo from new egg cant wait but any ways yeah i looked all over th internet and found 1 reviiew were the 5700 ultra had a 525Mhz core clock and 1ghz ram and the 9600Xt still smoked it so yeah im no longer an Nvidia guy regardless of the 6800 gt's conquer wich isnt true any more because if HIS's new excalibur limted edtion wich beat the 6800 gt