also in addition... the nvidia card works BETTER with generating shadows, but the ati card works better when all full-scene antialiasing and anisotropic filtering are enabled... But nvidia wins with out the full-scene antialiasing and anisotropic filtering are enabled. MY FINAL CONCLUSION STATEMENT>>> ati is a faster card at higher speeds but nvidia works better with heavy shadowing... both have realativly the same looking graphics but ati can process the textures faster... hmmm I might be going with ATI X800 XT after all... at highest resolution and with all options on the ati card is faster than the nvidia... And for internet gaming, and the games I play... Speed is the idea. For the main games I play.. i.e. FarCry and Command and Conquer Generals the benchmarks for ATI X800 xt won... seems like a pretty simple decision for me now.... even the ati x800 pro went head to head with the nvidia 6800 ultra... thats got to say something there.