Thanks you nitestick, i was tired of reading all of these ignorant posts. Yes, the core2duo is one of the best proccessors for the money ever made, yes they overlcock like beasts, and yes every computer retail store and internet site is shoving these chips into all of their new shelved computers(which i why i think we have so many fanboys), but you have to remember who is backing them, INTEL. AMD is the underdog, yet with the right equipment, right clocks, and right cooling, AMD's dual core line of chips, especially the opteron, can own a C2D.