If one more person refers to ATI as "with" AMD, i'm going to kick someone in the nutz. Let's get this straight here people... AMD "owns" ATI. No and not like, "Pwns" ATI, they actually legally and financially "OWN" ATI. It's like DELL owns ALIENWARE. ATI is now a subsidiary company of AMD.
So, when speaking about ATI, you might as well just say, "AMD".
I've been saying this for a long time now, AMD video cards will own NIVIDA cards from the moment AMD purchased ATI. AMD needs the graphics card sector to even have a chance to compete with Intel. You better recognize that AMD will stop at nothing to lead the graphics card market if they can't lead the CPU market. The r600's will be a huge leap over the G80's. Let's wait until the reference cards are handed out to legit vendors/reviewers/benchmarkers. Once the right people get those reference cards in hand, i'll supply the I told you so's.